Tuesday, February 17, 2015

Why do you fear the abyss?

What do you have to fear? Why be afraid to understand a different point of view? Why fear a perceived dark abyss? If all I am rambling on about is the dark abyss, then it IS necessary for you to learn for salvation, but if what I am saying is truth, then it IS necessary for you to learn for salvation. Sound paradoxical? Welcome to the mess down here that God intended all of us to sort through with HIS help......WITHOUT FEAR! Either way, this information I am presenting to you, is vital to your salvation, either as the "utmost heavens" information, or as the "darkest abyss" information; but making that determination is between you and God to decide.

Joseph Smith Himself taught the way to truth:
https://www.lds.org/new-era/2009/04/gaining-knowledge-of-eternal-truths?lang=eng
  • “The things of God are of deep import; and time, and experience, and careful and ponderous and solemn thoughts can only find them out. Thy mind, O man! if thou wilt lead a soul unto salvation, must stretch as high as the utmost heavens, and search into and contemplate the darkest abyss, and the broad expanse of eternity—thou must commune with God. How much more dignified and noble are the thoughts of God, than the vain imaginings of the human heart!”
  • “When you climb up a ladder, you must begin at the bottom, and ascend step by step, until you arrive at the top; and so it is with the principles of the gospel—you must begin with the first, and go on until you learn all the principles of exaltation. But it will be a great while after you have passed through the veil before you will have learned them.”
I want to add that "pass through the veil" does not = death! Get that definition out of your head! If you listen to most "in authority" they will define "passing through the veil" as "death". Why do they do that? Why didn't Joseph teach that? That thought would be ludicrous to him. Listen closely next time you hear "passing through the veil" being pulpitized, do they use proper context? 

It means traveling as Joseph did- through the veil while living! He received a "great while" through the veil to receive concepts of salvation. You MUST do the same if you intend to receive anything Joseph was offering. I know it sounds overwhelming, and it should! We each must workout our salvation with fear and trembling before God. Why is it phrased like that? Are you afraid you aren't saved? Have you experienced that fear and trembling yet? If not, are you on the path to salvation? Was something neatly packaged for you, helping you skip the fear and trembling part? Have you been told by God himself that you are redeemed from the fall? If not, does that cause you to fear and tremble? Or is all well? Are you being taught to be afraid? Are you being taught all is not well? Really think about what it means to attain to salvation. Forget the comely confines of institutionalized teaching, and really ponder what you have attained to down here. Are we here to perform ordinances alone? Is that what we point to for salvation? Do they contain the power of godliness, or just a form of godliness? What is the difference? What does it mean to be conditionally "sealed"? What is the condition? How is it actually sealed? These are just a few questions I have had to work through and am working through.

So again, if you feel what I am going through is the darkest abyss, Joseph himself said it is clearly worth your study. Do we still believe and respond to his words? When was the last time you were told to search out for truth outside the safe confines of comely websites or books? Why do you think that is? Do you think God fears searching? Do you think Joseph did? Do you think prophets of old fit within the neat confines of hierarchical instruction? Were they popular? Did they "fit in"? Why didn't they fear, and how can God know ALL and still know the truth, and still be happy?

God has traveled the high AND low, and so must you to be like Him. How can God trust your testimony sufficiently to give you further light and knowledge if you haven't been proven faithful in confronting head-on the other side of the truth you perceive? He can't in my opinion. He may be just waiting for you to study it out, high and low, light and dark, so as to trust you with more. To trust that nothing can "rattle your cage".

So are you "enduring to the end" properly? How so? In truth? in action? Are you ready for more? Enduring to the end is not describing your mortal probation, it is describing Jacob's ladder that Joseph referenced above. If you are not climbing the ladder of truth and light, are you "enduring" to the end of the ladder with 7 rungs? Which rung are you enduring on? When climbing a ladder, how do you endure to the end of it? Do you get half way up, and stall due to a fear of heights? Do you stop and endure there? Is that enduring? Or maybe you become too afraid to keep climbing because you fear the severity of the fall from greater heights? Do not fear the fall, do not fear the abyss. It will always be there, and will require your study, consideration, AND experience at some point in your progression.

If any of this stirs anything in you, all of the information is at your fingertips. I have recommended a few blogs to the right. I have found either the light or the dark there, but you must decide which it is to you. Is it truth? Is it darkness? Could truth BE darkness? If truth is darkness, what would that mean? Can knowing a lie be truth and darkness? Can knowing darkness be light? Are truth and light always the same? Or are they describing different ideas entirely? "Light AND truth". Study it out. Here is my recommendation if you are interested. It will take much time, attention, pondering, and courage to face your fears. It will be unpleasant, it may be confusing, but it is all necessary to come to hear His voice. This is what I would do: (not saying you should listen to me, but if you claim Joseph is a prophet, you need to heed his advice to labor over truth, light, and darkness.)

  1. Start with prayer and fasting
    1. Ask to be open to these concepts. Ask if there is anything to it. Never cease praying and pondering throughout the entire journey. Never stop playing "devil's advocate", for both sides. Never stop searching for understanding.
  2. Then proceed to the Book of Mormon, D&C and Pearl of Great Price
    1. Anytime you see the word gentile, think of yourself....because you do belong to a gentile church by definition. Don't think of some wicked group of some other church or religion, think of yourself. Even if you don't agree, it may open your perspective a bit. When you read the D&C don't gloss over the warnings by the Lord. Especially the ones warning about condemnation if the early Saints didn't fulfill what the Lord required. We tend to ignore the warnings of condemnation, and look to ease bruised hearts. Don't do that. Read what the Lord says will happen if the saints were in fact placed under condemnation. Then study the church history to determine if they were receiving the blessings or cursings from the Lord....think Joseph's martyrdom, temple burning to the ground, saints moved out their place etc. Study it out. You should come to your own conclusion. IT MATTERS. Was the Lord offering something in the D&C that was never received? Or was He trifling with them when he had them gather and begin Zion? Was he lying? Did he really mean us? Or is it a record of the Lord speaking to the early saints? Does it matter if He was speaking to them? Are we the same as them? Do we have the same promise He gave to them? What if they didn't match what the Lord had asked? Does that mean we do? Are the dealings with the early saints the same as the dealings with us? If so, where is Zion? If not, where are our instructions? Just things to ponder
  3. Read the Lectures on Faith by Joseph Smith
    1. Why did they disappear from canonized scripture in 1921? Who made that decision? How were the Lectures originally seen in our scriptures? Where they leading doctrines? Or afterthoughts? Who voted to canonize them, and who voted to remove them? Is that altering scripture? Did Joseph write scripture? If so, is it okay to remove scripture? Why would they be removed? What did they teach? What did they teach about the Godhead? What did they teach about the "holy ghost"? What about the "holy spirit"? Is there a difference? What about the nature of God? How do you ACTUALLY exercise faith in Him? What is the difference between God the Father and the Son, are their bodies the same? What is a body of tabernacle? What is a body of spirit? Does it matter? Were the lectures on faith in larger font originally than the rest of the D&C? Were the lectures originally at the beginning or end of the D&C? Does any of this matter?
  4. Learn Denver Snuffer's works:
    1. Whether he seems obscure to you now or not, doesn't matter. There will come a point that his message will be well known to all, and you will at some point be confronted with making a determination as to whether he speaks for God or not. You will at some point know the answer. You can however know now, IF you actually study his words. 
    2. All published works available on Amazon or kindle. Read the descriptions, because the series of "removing the condemnation" is a print version of his blog. 
    3. Read his books, and then start navigation his blog linked on the right. The blog WILL be taken out of context without first laying the foundation set out. Get the information from the horse's mouth. He only says anything either on his blog or in his books. Anything else, is not from him. 
    4. Read or listen to his lecture series that is attached to his blog. There are 10 talks all meant to be read as a single talk. Whether or not it is instruction coming from the Lord, is entirely up to you. You NEED to study it out. In the day it is brought forth as either light or darkness to your eye, you will NEED to make that determination. If you have read this much, you are accountable for having received at a minimum your invitation to receive a message being given. You will not necessarily be accountable, nor missing anything if it is not a message from Christ. However if it is, you will be accountable in some way for what you do now; will you reject trying to understand out of fear? That is your choice, it is ALWAYS YOUR choice. God will NEVER interfere with your agency and pursuit of truth. Through the eternities, your progression is up to YOU. YOUR thirst for truth. You will never receive a gift basket of truth. It will never be comfortable or popular. Even the Book of Mormon requires perspective and labor to understand its truth. Your labor for truth will be matched by God hand in hand. The 10 talks given by Denver (speaking for Christ in my opinion) contains instruction for how to begin gathering the seeds of Zion. Specific instructions. You can be assured, that you will either be able to determine if the message is from Christ or not, because Denver's claims are clear. He is either receiving Christ face to face and receiving instruction, or He is not. His claims are clear. I know I have been claiming we must each connect to heaven for own instructions, and that is true enough. I know I have said in past posts we should not be "following" a man, or institution etc. I also said however that we should listen to and follow Christ. Not in an ambiguous way, but find a messenger that quotes teaching and instruction from the Lord. I am still working out my own connection to heaven, but the fruits this message has born in my heart can only come FROM Christ (Read Alma 32). This mighty change of heart to do good continually has changed me from the inside out. There is a difference in following a messenger and receiving a message from the Lord. Study this out! Seek and find, knock and open. You will not be disappointed in this journey. Either way, whether you accept it or not, it will teach and help you understand the nature of godliness in seeking truth and light....thus edifying and enlightening you. 
  5. There are several other blogs to the right that have been helpful in sifting through some information. I don't necessarily agree with every concept, doctrine, or teaching. They come from people on this same journey of sifting truth and tradition, light and darkness, good and evil. These other blogs, in turn recommend other blogs as well. I would search and seek all I could.I would learn to sift through the truth, darkness, and light for myself.
  6. Try and connect with people in all different stages and experience levels. We are all at a different stage of progression. GO TO CHURCH! If you can still participate at your church, DO IT! If you are LDS, it is a wonderful place to share, meet, serve, and learn. However, do not be afraid to leave the learning and searching from within the church walls. I would continue to participate as Mormon if I could truly be allowed to participate. If you belong to another church, keep serving there if you feel good about that. There is good to be done everywhere. I am not advocating making any changes to what you currently practice. I can not however tell you that finding and searching for the truth will be safe and accepted by other organizations. You search at your own peril, but your peril IS hanging in the balance. "A man can not be saved in ignorance". Ignorance can be ignoring the light, OR the darkness. Remember the quote? Up to you. 
  7.  Be willing to take action at the things you learn to be true, whatever that is. If it is to pray about something from church history, do it. If it is to pray about the temple endowment changing, do that. If it is to be baptized, do that. Line upon line, precept upon precept. Make the steps being asked of you by Him through His mind and will. 
I could go on and on. These are the initial steps that will help you understand where I am, and hopefully help you understand more about your role and mission here during the last days. I love you. I do not judge you. I pray you will continually seek His light with a clear conscience and open mind. Worship Him the way YOU see fit, the way YOUR heart dictates; whatever that may be. 

Saturday, February 14, 2015

Where the sidewalk ends...

On February 1st, 2015 at 4:30pm I went to meet with my bishop. It didn’t dawn on me until right before our meeting that I had scheduled this meeting right as the super bowl was kicking off. Anyone who knows me, knows that I have been an avid sports fan throughout my life. The super bowl hadn’t even crossed my mind during all of this. I find it incredibly ironic to my nature, that I had scheduled a meeting to discuss the things of God at the precise time the Superbowl would be kicking off, and I did it completely unawares. Back to the meeting…
I took the pressure of at the beginning and frankly told him I knew he was going to have to take action, and that I would willingly comply with whatever he saw fit. On that note, it was a wonderfully cordial meeting. He is such a wonderful man; so humble, so willing to serve the Lord. I by no means think myself closer or more willing to serve the Lord than any other Latter Day Saint. In many instances I find myself far less appealing to the Lord than those humbly serving in the church, or any other church for that matter. The humble servants that abide at the ward level in the church are truly trying to serve the Lord the best they can, and succeed frequently in my estimation. Members of the church are generous, giving, loving, patient, kind, moderate, diligent, and hard working. If I could maintain my beliefs openly and serve with them, I would. If my beliefs did not offend, I would happily, and be relieved to find myself in their midst. I made it very clear to the bishop that I felt these things about him as well, and about the ward here. These are they who are trying to be the Lord’s sheep. These are they who are giving of their time, attention, and money to a cause that does much good. While I was able to freely speak of the goodness about the members to him, unfortunately I also felt I needed to share my testimony of what I believe to be true. I started at the beginning, and over about an hour, expressed a summary of what is in my heart.
After going into detail, and sharing all openly and freely, he asked a few questions. He agreed I could not pass a temple recommend interview based on the criteria set forth, and also agreed that some action needed to take place. He was a bit perplexed however that there was nothing else “amiss” in my affairs. There was nothing currently requiring any action other than my beliefs, which are deemed as apostasy by the church. After listening to all, the bishop leaned into me and said, “brother Reber, I am happy for you. I know that if you keep pursuing the Lord you will find Him”. He said it was a bit strange for him to say that, but he felt it right to say none the less. He assured me I would always be welcome to return, and I assured him we were brothers, and I would always accept him into my circles with open arms if he ever sees these things in a different light. In fact, even if he doesn’t see anything in a different light, he is more than welcome to worship with us, although it may cost him his membership as well.
He bore testimony to me, I told him I appreciated Him and that I could and do support him. He was grateful for that, but added that if I didn’t believe the leadership of the church was speaking for God anymore, then I couldn’t also believe he was called of God. I agreed that a calling of God doesn’t come from a “chain of command”, but from God, and that if God supported Him, and he was seeking the Lord’s will, that I could in fact support his efforts in acting as an authorized servant. A bishop is one of the most selfless callings in the church; they are unpaid, and give endlessly. I am grateful for my bishop’s Christ like service and attitude. We parted ways, and he asked if he could keep my phone number, I agreed. He asked to have a few days to discuss the matter with the stake president, and would get back to me with the best course of action in a couple of days.
We had made the choice as a family months prior, that we were going to worship the Lord how we felt it most appropriate. Our hearts had been lead by the Lord in a different direction for quite some time. Like Joseph’s last vision, we simply had no interest in putting up a fight, or to contend for the farm. I simply want to go about my way in peace without being critical, and without contending. I still feel that way. I do not want anyone to feel condemned in a future day due to my excommunication from the truth I am receiving, and my willingness to receive it. I want these men at the ward level to have a clean, clear conscience when they come to the realization of the truth I have received. I have no intention of putting up a fight, or causing a commotion to draw any attention to myself. There are many that could condemn me, so why would I ever want to condemn any other. I may disagree, but God gave us all the right to do that, and to worship Him however we see fit. Time will tell the truth.
On February 5th, the bishop dropped by and brought our letters of resignation, which he felt was the most appropriate course of action. He didn’t have any interest either in causing commotion apparently. He came over with our neighbor (the executive secretary), who was one of 3 men that helped us move into our home. It felt fitting that he came along. He is a very kind man also. We took the letters behind closed doors, knelt down in prayer and promised the Lord that we would spend the rest of our lives in His service regardless of the world around us, and no matter the cost or opposition. We signed the letters and gave them to the bishop. We hugged the Bishop and our neighbor, and they hugged back. They asked if we would be willing to still help with our hands if the opportunity arose, and we immediately agreed. They then departed.
Today, February 14th we received confirmation that our names had been removed from the records of the church.
I know that this decision may be confusing to family and friends. I am sure many are feeling pain and sorrow at this choice. I know some assume we will not be allowed to be together in the celestial kingdom if we forfeit all the ordinances we have performed within the church. I feel great sorrow that many are disappointed in us for going down this road. I know my in-laws love me, but I also know they must feel in some way that I am to blame for what has become of their daughter. I have so much respect for the lives they have given within the church. I have been a missionary too, and dedicated my whole self to serving the Lord. They have done so as well serving as missionaries and participating in multiple bishoprics. I know how things look and seem at the moment, I have been where you are. I have fought for the church, supported it, given it my all. I know how you must be feeling. I am sorry. I love you. I love the daughter you raised. She is fiercely loyal to the Lord in ways you will someday more fully appreciate. She got that from you. She is the same daughter who always sought the Lord and His approval. I can only assure you that in a future day, we will kneel in unity, in truth, in sheer joy worshiping the same God and Savior. In that day, we will shed tears of joy at His unmatched mercy and works.
To my own parents, I feel sorrow as well being seen now in a different light. It was comfortable and easy to not stand out, not be different, and to be the son in image you worked hard to create. This is not an insult to those teachings, but it is a compliment to them. I am doing all in my power daily to be of service and hear the voice of Christ. I also know there will come a day we will shed tears of joy as we come to a realization of all things. The story is playing out right in front of us. It is as it was in the times of Christ. Individuals were living through scripture that would be revered and studied by millions. We are now living in, and will be a part of the greatest times in the history of the world. We are living in the greatest era of scripture that others will study about throughout eternity. These events will be seen in a much different light in those days.
Although I want to go peacefully, I think it is also important to make a few things clear. We had no choice with our memberships as soon as we didn’t fall in line with the teachings of the church. It was either renounce what we knew to be true, remain silent, force the excommunication process, or resign. The instant my beliefs didn’t line up with the brethren, our options were limited. I will never renounce what I know to be true, I will not hide my beliefs, and I wasn’t willing to condemn another by forcing the excommunication process. So resignation was really the only choice we felt appropriate, unless others had wanted to force the issue.
I want to be clear; we did not WANT to leave the church. Why would we? Why would we want to disappoint family and friends, be perceived to be in error, “embarrass” our families, cut a security net of support, be uncomfortable, and ultimately bring a period of sorrow to many? Why would we want to participate in any of that, unless we simply have a set of beliefs that has entered our core, which we are willing to follow at all cost. It is also because we love YOU! We know that this will be a painful process for many right now, but if it alerts you to study out what we have, or to reconsider our present state as a church and a people, then it is worth it. If we didn’t care about you, we would keep all this to ourselves. We wouldn’t be talking openly, even while knowing we will be seen as misled by many. It is still worth the risk of sharing what we know to be true. If what we believe is true, then destruction of the world and church is eminent. It is near. You will see the signs of the times ever increasing, and will also see the eventual crumbling of the church. I hope I am wrong! I defended the institution as you do! I wish I could believe I am wrong. I wish I could go back to enjoying the super bowl in some days. This isn’t easy, or popular. If I am wrong, I’m sorry; you haven’t lost anything by listening to me. However, if what I am saying is true, then the Lord is waiting to tell YOU how to survive the last days that are coming to a close. I am willing to embarrass myself, to look like a fool, to look misled, to look foolish, to forfeit an “inheritance”. Why would I do that? What do I have to gain? How does this help my self-interest? Frankly, it doesn’t help me.
We aren’t allowed to remain in the church for one simple reason. It isn’t because of our unwillingness to serve, it isn’t because we don’t believe in the book of Mormon, it isn’t because we don’t believe in Joseph Smith, it isn’t that we don’t have a committed marriage and family, it isn’t because we don’t follow the programs of the church, it isn’t because we won’t fast, it isn’t because we won’t give to help support others, it isn’t because of grievous sin, it isn’t because we won’t support other members and our bishop/stake president, it isn’t because we won’t serve in the temple, it isn’t that we will not believe in Jesus Christ or our Father in Heaven, it isn’t that we won’t give our all to the building up of the kingdom of God on the earth, and to the establishment of Zion. It is because we will not pledge an oath to a paid clergy of MEN. I would take a bullet for the cause of Christ, but I will not give my praise, my worship, or my oath to men. Men that have the SAME standing before God as YOU. If you are sorrowing for our family, then sorrow in that thought. The reason my membership is forfeit, and my “salvation lost”, is because I challenge the authority of a group of paid clergy. Slice or dice it any way you want, your sorrow should be directed at them. I am judged apostate not out of the scriptures, but out of a secret instruction manual that neither you nor I have access to without higher “calling”. What do you consider something that is in the dark? Could it be a set of rules and regulations that you’re judged by, but do not have access to?
The church I have devoted my entire life to, has forced us out because we don’t raise our arms to the square and swear an oath-like indication to a group of men claiming to be prophets and apostles. There is great reason for sorrow at that idea. They then judged us out of a book I have never read. It is their right however as the presiding authorities of the church to make such judgments. There are very serious sins you can commit that doesn’t cause excommunication or disfellowship. Gross sin can be acceptable based on your attitude and “potential”. However, the second someone threatens the power of those sitting in authority, they are cast out almost immediately. There is no opportunity for understanding, there is no patience, and there is no place for “apostasy”. I understand the arguments, and although it may sound like there are some bitter feelings, I am not bitter at these ideas. I am not complaining. It is the Church’s right to dictate what I can and can’t believe in order to retain membership of said church. They have every right to do that. It is up to each of us however, to decide if this is the Lord’s way. If you believe it is, then we likely will not have much common ground to build on at the moment, and that is ok. If however you don’t see the Lord in this process, then maybe there is an opportunity for some dialog.
With all that said, I am deeply, deeply grateful for the Church. How could I have a testimony of all I do without it? I have been given wonderful experience and growth through church service. I have realized I am not saying goodbye to the church, nor am I casting it aside. I am serving the same Christ I did as a boy, on my mission, and now. He is simply moving me on a journey by His hand. I do not have to look back with anger, regret or sadness, because the church was part of the Lord’s plan for me. It was a wonderful vehicle while I was allowed to stay and participate. Those that are still members have a wonderful opportunity to study the scriptures, learn in the temple, serve one another, and seek this Jesus that we all long to know. I am grateful for all the experience and knowledge I gained from the Church. I am grateful to have donated my time and money to its cause, I simply believe now is the time for me to continue on as Christ directs me. I have heard His voice through a living prophet and I have received the message. It is a little scary, and we do feel fear at times, but we also feel reassured and great peace in our redeemer. Maybe in a future day, people like me will be openly welcome in the church, in the case it would be great to join again to provide service.
At the moment however, I don’t believe the Lord cares what church we belong to. He is bringing Zion without a top-down mentality, without a group of priests funneling the information. The gathering is now underway and He is calling all who will come from the byways to hear from Him. It is now as it was when He came among the Jews. Study that out. Learn the context of Christ’s day, and how HIS OWN PEOPLE rejected His voice, His message, and His messengers. He came in obscurity under the noses of the presiding authorities, as a thief in the night. He challenged their authority and was ultimately cast out of the synagogues (temples) and executed.  He will come as a thief in the night in our day. His house is a house of order, he follows the same patterns throughout scripture, therein is the house of order.
Today (February 14th) we received confirmation that our records have been removed. The Lord is our valentine today. In Him we trust. In Him we serve. In Him we hope, as our only hope for salvation and progression throughout eternity. I’m not willing to not follow my heart. I’m not willing to compromise what I know to be true. Because I am not allowed to participate in the church, doesn’t mean I don’t advocate for its members, love them, and love you! I know this possibly creates a bit of awkwardness with all the family events (baptisms, confirmations, blessings, weddings etc.), but please understand we don’t feel it. We will happily come along and support you, your kids, your grandkids, or anyone else we can show love and support to. After all, our goals are equivalent! We want to live as family units for the eternities. We are trying the best we can to achieve that goal and attain eternal life for ourselves and to serve our loved ones. You are doing the same. We can focus on what makes us similar, what we have in common, and discuss when necessary the vehicles that may be different. Don’t feel awkward to invite me to come and witness an even, even though I may not be able to gather in a circle within the church. We are with you in desire and love.

Saturday, January 31, 2015

To my family, friends, and all



Many of you may now know that there is something going on in my life. I have either shared a little with you, someone else has told you in my behalf, or you are about to hear it for the first time. The story I am about to tell you isn’t just about me, it is also about YOU. You’ll understand what I mean by that if you are patient enough to read all the way through this.
Today is January 31st, 2015. I am sitting in the middle of a beautiful forest in Beavercreek Oregon. The sun is shinning, and my heart is full. I just said a quiet prayer, and I would ask that you pause and do the same. Ask the Lord how you should feel about this post as you read it. This is about me, you, but mostly about Him.
I need to clear the air so I can continue being your faithful son, brother, and/or friend. I have nothing but love and respect for each person wanting to follow the dictates of their own heart.  I afford you all, the freedom to choose, that God instilled within each of us. I will be nothing but supportive in your life, as you seek truth and light. You will not find this post full of scripture references to debate, or criticism of others, I simply need to tell you what is in my heart and mind. I believe what is placed within it was given to me from on high.
To say that I am the same brother, son, or friend that you grew up with, would happily be untrue. Isn’t the whole point of being down here to change? It would be an insult to God himself to tell you that I am the same person I was even just a few months ago. I HAVE changed, and I am so grateful for it. I understand this makes moving forward in old pretenses difficult, but none-the-less, it can be a glorious thing to participate with others as they change. There is no other way I can put this into words, other than to say that I have had a mighty change of heart.  The story begins in my childhood. I will try to speed things along…we don't want to walk back through my life in detail, but I think there are some things that need to be said.
I was born to parents who taught me about the gospel, taught me how to choose, and taught me to be valiant in standing up for what I believe in. I write these things to you now with the faith and courage that has been the sum of others’ efforts in teaching me. I would not be the man I am today without my parents, my sisters, my close friends, and the countless others that have shaped and molded my heart and mind. Behind all of the individuals here, God has been behind each interaction, each chance encounter, each success, and conversely each failure. It is all part of His master canvas I call my life. It is full of colors, both dark and light, but when you step back you see the image. It is glorious to behold His hand in the details, and in the broad strokes. Each has a purpose to the piece of art.
I was shy as a boy. I am shy. I like to keep to myself. I would much prefer to read a book and think in a forest, than to be the center of attention anywhere. In fact, my name actually means “God’s peace”. I find God’s peace in solitude, in searching and pondering. Growing up, I always felt forced to step out from behind my parent’s leg (in a healthy way). I was damn good at sports! I was always too shy to go tryout, and every time a tryout would come along, I would try and justify why I shouldn’t try. I remember my dad dragging me out to baseball tryouts through my tears, only to have me blow by all the other kids with my athleticism. I didn’t, and don’t like attention. That being said, I have always had a very deep desire to know the Lord. Since I was a little boy, I would read about Joseph Smith and desire to know God for myself. Growing up as a boy, and looking around me, I had always felt that if I really wanted to be “important” to God, I needed to grow my circle of influence. This started at a very young age. I decided I needed to step out from my shyness. I became a dedicated “church goer”. I was a leader in every church program, Eagle Scout, assistant to the president while on my mission, etc. The list goes on and on. I was building my “resume” to know God. I continued on, marrying in the temple, starting a family, paying tithing to the Lord, attending the temple regularly, and serving others in the church. There are a few very important events that happened to me as a young man, and more specifically, there are four very specific events of my life that were shaped by God. I have no doubts about it.
The first event was the divorce of my parents. Mom and Dad, forgive me if I say anything painful. I want you to know that I am so grateful for exactly where I am today. I would not trade that experience for a happy family on a Christmas card. Unfortunately it has come at the cost of a lot of pain for all parties, but it was a lesson I needed to learn.  A lesson, we all needed apparently. I have no interest in pointing fingers or blaming anyone or anything, my only interest is to share how God shaped me through that experience. It wasn’t a shocker to Him. I realized quickly at the age of 14-15 that people make mistakes. Anyone can, and everyone does make mistakes. I learned to never rely on the arm of flesh. That sounds cliche, but in a very real, close to home way, it is a part of me. That experience taught me to NEVER rely on ANY man or woman (prophet, father, mother, sister, brother, friend, priest, bishop…..you get the point). I didn’t realize it at the time, but now I know that it is what that experience taught me. Man is NOT to be trusted. This is includes myself obviously.
The second event occurred a couple of years later when I tried out for a musical called “Brother Joseph”. Wouldn’t you know it, I was cast the role as Joseph. It involved countless rehearsals, meetings, and preparations. I tried to embody the prophet Joseph in that play. I gained a very strong testimony of Joseph and his work. I believe in all that Joseph restored. I believe in the book he translated, and I believe his testimony. I remember specifically standing on stage in one of the rehearsals and singing the words “this was not my intention, all I sought was some reply” and being overcome with a burning from within. I immediately continued singing out of tune because I was overwhelmed. One of the nights after a performance was the anniversary of Joseph’s martyrdom. I was walking the temple grounds, looked up at the moon, and it had just a hint of red. I thought, surely he was a prophet. Since then I have always believed in Joseph’s mission.
The third event was serving a mission in Brazil. There was one night in particular that I felt the Savior near to me. I had been out walking my ass (sorry mom) off all night. I was dirty, tired, and thirsty. We had walked that whole day pleading with people to hear the message of the Book of Mormon. It felt so sad that no one would listen. Everyone was too busy heading off to a movie, eating dinner, etc. I walked into my little apartment at the end of the day, plopped down on the chair and rested my head on top of my fist. I felt Him right then and there comfort me. I came to know Him just a little better in that moment. He had dealt with the same rejection and much worse throughout his mortal ministry. He had been rejected by His own, they had cast Him aside as a thing of naught. He wasn’t grand or glorious enough to be GOD. He came as jesus, but they wanted JESUS CHRIST THE ALL MIGHTY. His ministry was humble, it was personal, and it was meek. He came and went, and Jews and their leaders hardly noticed. We read through a much different lens today, but in His day, it made the headlines for a couple days, came and went without much notice by anyone. He brought an uncomfortable message, to a people in captivity. He surely didn’t seem like he was delivering anyone, even in death. That experience and others helped me to realize who the Lord is. He doesn’t ever compel. He doesn’t ever coerce. He doesn’t ever take agency. He meekly and simply abides with those who know Him; who want what He offers. Throughout my mission I learned these principles. He HAS all power, but He understates it. We have very little power, but we dramatically OVERSTATE it. Being on my mission also gave me opportunity to read the book of Mormon over and over again. I kept seeing these cycles of light and dark, light and dark, with dark always seemingly creeping in over time, only to be restored by a true messenger. I read about repentance, the sacrament, baptism, and on and on. I always wondered why there were small discrepancies in what I was reading in our canonized scripture vs. how we practice these things today. Specifically repentance was a topic I then, and have since thought a lot about. Why is repentance for one young man sufficient, but for the other it isn't? Why am I allowed to serve, and another isn’t due to "serious sin", when we LITERALLY both need repentance equally. “God cannot look upon sin with the least degree of allowance”. Did you catch that? THE LEAST degree. The second you sinned, you departed from God. Only constant and repetitive repentance can ever return us to His face. Christ’s covering atonement can cover the least of these sins, to the greatest (shedding of blood). Though your sins be as scarlet (shedding of blood), they can be white as snow (His covering). It is only required of us to forgive ALL men. ALL. Not just the ones with itty bitty sin that are “worthy” to serve the Lord. We are all unworthy to serve the Lord! He is something, we are nothing. He is great, we are small. We are naked, he has clothes to give. No matter what your sin is, if you turn to Him with full purpose of heart in this moment, or any other moment, He will forgive you “as easy as water”. There are too many examples to count throughout scripture. Weakness is GOOD. God GAVE us weakness as a gift. It is the great knee bender. It is what brings us to Him thirsting for forgiveness and seeking his approval. This brings me to my last event. This is more of an ongoing event.
WEAKNESS! MISTAKES! SIN! DISAPPOINTMENT! The great knee-benders. I can come to you and say this with all my heart, I am nothing!!!!! I thought I was something. I was wrong. He is something. You are nothing. God sits at the top of a mountain, we both sit in the valley. Just because your head might be 3 inches closer to the top of the mountain than mine, doesn’t mean you are any closer in the scope of Godliness and worthiness. I do not need to get into all my personal failings, if you feel it is important for me to share them with you on a personal basis, I’m happy to do such. I have no shame in my errors. I have given them away, and I am grateful for them. They have brought me here. They have been many, they have been dark, they have been hurtful, they have brought me to the brink of destruction. There is nothing you can not bring to the Lord to have erased from your conscience. There is no repair he can not, nor any repair He is not willing to make. It took my deep prayer and a real effort to reach upward to realize my nothingness, and His greatness. I would not have sought for anything more without personal weakness. I would have been content as a bean building my God “resume”. God sees us so much differently than we see each other or ourselves for that matter. His “resume” is within our hearts and within our service to others. This ivy league, clean shaven, sharp suit, wealthy, articulate, and comely image we try to portray is nothing but utter rubbish. If I have ever offended you, if I have done anything to hurt you, whatever I have done, I am so sorry. I forgive freely any and all that have ever trespassed against me. I have no ill will at all. Please forgive me the same, or open the dialog so I might make amends. There isn’t a person alive today that I hold a grudge for. To the contrary, that each may follow their heart with a clear conscience before all men. My greatest testimony of Christ is His forgiveness, His love for every one, and His willingness to wipe all sins away if we truly seek Him and set aside all. I have learned through my weakness, what love is, what marriage is, and conversely what love isn’t, and what marriage isn’t.
What am I trying to say? What does this all mean?
The Lord placed me on this path decades ago. I feel closer to Him now, than I ever have. My intentions are pure; to come unto Him. The things He has been teaching me, and the things I have been forced to take in every Sunday have been drifting further apart at an alarming rate. This has been a result of the Lord’s work in my life, and no other man. In 2009, I made an absolute plea to the Lord. I found a mountain and prayed to know Him personally (the fullness of the Gospel). I know he heard that plea. Soon after making the plea, I “stumbled” into the book “The Second Comforter: Conversing with the Lord through the Veil”. The author of this book is a man named Denver Snuffer. The same spirit that animated my repentance process, my desire to seek the Lord, taught me those important lessons on my mission etc, is the same spirit that animated the purchase of this book. I read the book in about 2 days. I knew its words of receiving the Lord for ourselves were true. It was a direct answer to my prayer. I asked God flat out “How do I come to know you?”, and a week later I stumbled into further light and knowledge.
The book actually claims to be an instruction manual for receiving the Lord in the flesh, as the author claims to have done on numerous occasions. At the time, I thought nothing about separating the terms gospel of Jesus Christ, and “the Church of Jesus Christ”. I thought of them fairly synonymously. I was IN the gospel because I was a member right? Anyway, so at this time, this author Denver Snuffer was a fully endowed, fully active, fully serving Mormon. I began recommending this book to many friends, and some family because of the mighty change it had brought about in my heart (this was the same time I decided to go back to school and become a pharmacist). I felt inspired, I felt the Lord close to me, and I believed that book to be inspired of God for people like me that were seeking the Lord in the flesh. There were subsequent books and concepts presented, all claiming to be specifically directed by the Lord to come forth. Now when I say the author claims they were coming from the Lord, I am not mincing words. His claim is that He has, and is regularly speaking with the Lord face to face to receive instructions and deliver them. All of His books are centered around Christ, the scriptures, and church history. It is nothing more than a man expounding OUR scriptures the way the Lord expounded them to him. One of the books this man wrote was about the early history of the church, using the doctrine and covenants coupled with church history. Due to the ideas this man presents in this book, he was excommunicated from the church. I have read all of his books, along with all the standard works and many other “LDS approved” books. The only thing this book really did, was paint a negative picture of how the church took over after Joseph Smith’s death, and how we might try and learn from some of the mistakes of the early saints. I don’t really need to get into it at this point, and if you are interested, you should go read it yourself and make your own determination if you think it was an act worthy of such a harsh reaction. In any event, it was a very confusing time for me. On the one hand, I knew the church was imperfect, that it had flaws etc, but that it was “the only true and living church on the face of the earth”…and I do believe for a time it was. However I know who had animated my sincere repentance, it was the Lord. He WAS speaking through this man Denver, I knew that much. But how could they both Denver and the general authorities be speaking to the Lord but not in accordance with one another. This is where my real study began. Someone had to be right, and someone had to be wrong. (sound familiar?) They were both claiming to speak to the Lord, yet they were sending different messages. I have simply given much thought, time, attention, and prayer to the matter over the last year specifically. I am sad to say that I can no longer support the hierarchy of the LDS church in tithing or by sustaining vote. I’m only sad because I know how this will make you feel about our relationship in some way. I will feel a bit lost to you and maybe misled and confused. That’s OK! That’s the beauty of it down here. We don’t have to judge! We each have our own path, and I believe this one to be mine. So I am taking the steps to follow it. I believe this man speaks for the Lord. I don’t care who he is, what his name is, what he does, etc. The Lord he speaks of, is the one I have come to know on my own through all of YOU! He is the one that seeks the lowly and the least, isn’t concerned with money or power, and finds the beggar and makes her whole. I am receiving, not following.
Other than not being willing to support the hierarchy of the Church, my beliefs are in conformity with the church. I believe I am in conformity with the book of Mormon in all my beliefs, but that is for you to decide. I simply will not sustain (recently defined as an oath like indication) the leaders as they currently sit in their jurisdiction. I do not believe in a paid clergy, nor that any man on earth holds any key to my salvation. I believe the Lord has removed their authority, and that in the near future it will all come to light as the decisions made lean more and more towards popular lucrative culture, and further away from God. I want to be clear, I am not criticizing, I am saying I (Jeff Reber) do not support these ideas. You are free to feel and worship however you see fit. I believe in baptism (in fact I am being baptized again just as the Nauvoo saints practiced), I believe in the sacrament (we are taking it every Sunday at home), I believe in Joseph Smith, I believe in the bible and book of Mormon. I believe in modern day prophets, I believe in Christ! He is my Lord. He is worthy of worship. I will not pledge allegiance to anything else or anyone else. There is something new being offered to all of us right now. For the first time in 200 years the restoration is now once again underway. There is a lot of explaining to do with that topic, but that is for another time. The Lord is calling, beckoning for any to come and participate that can cast aside their traditions. I know this is my calling in life. It has changed from the core of my soul, and outward. Because I believe these things, I can not have a temple recommend, I am not allowed to teach, I can’t hold “positions” in the church etc. I have no grudge or ill will, the church has the right to exclude my beliefs. They can tell me what I can and can’t say within the walls they own. That’s ok with me. I am so very grateful to the church. Where would I be, and what would my life be like without it!!! I have a testimony of the book of Mormon, of Joseph, of Christ, of prophets etc. I just believe they happen to be different men that currently sit at the top of the Mormon church, and that’s ok! Isn’t it? Isn’t this why God created our country, for freedom. Not freedom from commandments, or laws, but freedom to walk in the path we feel God has placed before us. That is freedom. Anything else is captivity. I am not sure what will happen to my membership in the church, but frankly I don’t care. I have to follow my heart. If I could stay, teach and serve, and speak openly, I would. If I have to hide, cower, and be quiet, am I being true to myself? No
This might be the first time you hear of this movement, but you will know more and more people that come to this conclusion. There is a group of about 20 of us right now just in the northwest that are meeting every few weeks. We are collecting tithing to help with each others' needs, renewing baptism covenants, partaking of the sacrament, singing, praying, reading scriptures, and worshiping in comfortable clothes. There are thousands of others being forced out of the church that are finding each other through social media outlets. These are your every day, formerly very active LDS members, and they are going through some very hard times. Some sit in very prominent positions in their wards and are being forced to go through some very hard publicly addressed issues. In fact every member of the group here in the northwest has been devoutly Mormon, even some up until a couple months ago. The leadership of the church is very aware of all of this. I am sure I will either be excommunicated or forced to resign to have claimed a loss in God’s authority amongst the brethren. That’s ok, I am not seeking their approval or yours anyway. I am seeking confidence in the sight of God, and following the instructions engraven upon my heart.
I don’t want to get into all the details. The information is readily available to all. If you want to hear either side of the argument for or against Denver, for or against the leadership of the church, for or against any topic written by any man, you have all the resources you need. My only prayer is that if you feel any kind of stirring, study it out for yourself!! Don’t listen to some knee jerk reaction from someone that hasn’t spent any time with any of the material. Don’t listen to me. The way to God is only achieved through careful study, thought, and labor. Joseph taught that.
Here is my simple declaration at the end of this long letter. It comes from my heart, I don’t care about proper grammar, or leading you in some direction. I LOVE YOU!
I frankly declare that Denver Snuffer is a prophet of God, speaking for Him in these last days. There will be other prophets that will rise up and declare repentance, just like in Lehi’s day. The second coming is rapidly approaching. The time is now to prepare. Some physical preparation is necessary, but it is the spiritual preparation that will save you. Come unto Him in prayer, He is YOUR maker, He wants to come to you and guide you through these last days. He is now re establishing the pattern of the book of Mormon with baptism, the sacrament, and trying to establish Zion for this last time until the end is here. These events will transpire in OUR generation. This is not a distant day. There are things underway that will shake every latter day saint’s testimony of the Church. Men’s hearts will fail them thinking all was a lie and the end is here. All is not lost. There is another dialog being sent forth, there is a way to follow the Lord when the hierarchy crumbles. This is your day, my day, your time, and your story to show if you will follow the Lord or not. It is up to each of us to make that determination. He can make all these things known unto you! I know some of you may think I am crazy, but I am saying these things because I LOVE YOU, and I believe them to be true. I have no other agenda. If I am leading you astray, or away, or persuading you, I am sorry. I am not intending to do anything but help you the same way the Lord has helped me. There is no institution that will bring Zion. It will only come through enough people rising up to meet their Lord. Coming unto Him and gathering as a body of people. Freedom of race, religion, sex, age etc. It is free to all! The only requirement is to believe in the doctrine of Christ (repentance, baptism) and to be of one heart and one mind. That is what is needed to bring Zion. I don’t care if you are Mormon, Lutheran, Protestant, etc, it is free and available to all peoples. He is beckoning. The net has been cast, He is asking all to come in from the streets and byways to the wedding feast. Those who were invited, would not come.

This is not my message, this is my testimony. I hope to meet the Lord in the flesh one day. I hope he spares my family and friends from the impending destruction that will soon be apparent. However, I don’t have that assurance yet of safety. I haven’t connected fully with Him, which is why I might seem distant to some of you. I have awoken from a deep sleep to see my awful state, and I am doing everything I can to be made clean through the Holy One. Whatever your journey is, I will support you in that journey. I will not try to break down your beliefs, I know I struggle with that sometimes and I am very sorry! I have a hard time not sharing my excitement and joy at what is being offered. I do not want to mince words here. I believe what I am saying is of vast importance. This message may be the difference between being spared or not in these last days. It will not be enough claim “Lord, Lord”, we will each need a personal relationship with Him. Not in feelings, in the flesh. Not in ideas, in reality. Not in scripture, in personal witness. God is good! He loves us, He wants us, He pleads to the Father in your behalf. Go to Him and ask what you need to know. He Lives. I will not stop seeking His face through this mist of darkness. Lehi was lead in his dream into the mist of darkness by a man dressed in white. It wasn’t until hours later wandering in darkness with that man in white, that Lehi prayed to God for knowledge and to be delivered. The mist disappeared at that time, and so did the man in white.
 I created this blog so that I could share my journey with you if you want to know where I stand or if you have any interest. I don’t know how often I will be able to post over the next couple of months, but I am committed to make a record of my journey. It may be in greater detail than anyone would want, but it will also I hope be a record and testimony for my kids.  I am also going to make some other entries for those that are not previously Mormon.  A lot of what I have said will make sense to an LDS audience, but make no sense to someone raised without religion or belonging to a different religion. I apologize for any errors I make in grammar, thought, or teachings. It isn’t my intention to seem well studied, or perfect in expression. Any error is attributable to me, and any good that comes from any of this, please do not think it has anything to do with me. It is all about Him. I’m simply sharing what He has put in my heart. All we do, all we try to become, has everything to do with Him, and to no one else.
I pray in some future day we will all be of one heart and one mind. To be an acceptable group to let Zion come. A place of God’s peace, a place to roam free in thought and action, a place to wonder and explore without fear, a place where all men are equal, all are nourished, all are blessed with the “words of God”…coming from His lips. My email address is Jffreber@gmail.com. If you want to continue the dialogue in a non-confrontational, non-contentious way, I am all for that. I appreciate your opinion even if it is different than mine. Can’t we all be patient in the journey the Lord has placed before each of us? It is uniquely yours, and I love it, and mine is uniquely mine, and I love it. You are all part of my story. Peace out homies. You know where to find me.
My sense of humor unfortunately is never going to change.